{"id":9251,"date":"2019-07-04T13:43:33","date_gmt":"2019-07-04T17:43:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.brainstation.io\/?p=9251"},"modified":"2020-05-11T17:02:45","modified_gmt":"2020-05-11T21:02:45","slug":"tokyo-smoke-how-to-take-a-brand-from-illegal-to-established","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/tokyo-smoke-how-to-take-a-brand-from-illegal-to-established","title":{"rendered":"Tokyo Smoke: How to Take a Brand From \u2018Illegal\u2019 to Established"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s not every day that a black market industry goes mainstream, but that\u2019s what\u2019s happening with North America\u2019s fast-growing cannabis industry. The transition is raising a number of interesting questions on the retail and marketing front, most notably: How do you market a brand as it moves from \u201cillegal\u201d to established?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To find out more about the process, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">we spoke to Josh Lyon, the VP of Marketing at <a href=\"https:\/\/ca.tokyosmoke.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tokyo Smoke<\/a>, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">an award-winning cannabis retailer in Canada that has earned praise for its focus on design and customer experience.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"lead-grid-container\">\n<div class=\"lead__card\">\n<div class=\"lead__image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"hide--mobile\" src=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/DataMarketing.jpg\" alt=\"Icon\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"lead__content\">\n<p id=\"lead__heading\" class=\"heading--4\">Become a Digital Marketer in just 12 weeks!<\/p>\n<p class=\"lead__description\">BrainStation&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/course\/online\/remote-digital-marketing-bootcamp?utm_source=Blog&amp;utm_medium=BlogPost&amp;utm_campaign=blogLead\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Digital Marketing Diploma Program<\/a> is a full-time, 12-week program that equips professionals with the skills and experience to start a new career in marketing.<\/p>\n<p id=\"lead__button--margin\"><a id=\"lead__button--hover\" class=\"lead__button\" href=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/book-call\/digital-marketing-bootcamp?utm_source=Blog&amp;utm_medium=BlogPost&amp;utm_campaign=blogLead\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Speak to a Learning Advisor<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_9253\" style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9253\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-9253 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Josh-lyon.jpeg\" alt=\"Josh Lyon, Tokyo Smoke\" width=\"500\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Josh-lyon.jpeg 500w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Josh-lyon-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Josh-lyon-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Josh-lyon-109x109.jpeg 109w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Josh-lyon-100x100.jpeg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9253\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Josh Lyon, Tokyo Smoke<\/p><\/div>\n<p><b>BrainStation: As the VP of Marketing at Tokyo Smoke, what does a typical day look like for you?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Lyon: As clich\u00e9 as it sounds, no two days are alike. I tend to be in meetings from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. and they fluctuate between overall brand strategy work, campaign execution, and partnership work. My team and I work closely together to continually push our brand activations forward, think through how to address strategic objectives and improve our owned and paid channels. In an industry that moves so quickly, much of what the focus is revolves around bringing the teams together to work collaboratively.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>You have a background in advertising and consulting. Has that experience had any impact on you when it comes to developing a marketing approach\/style?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Definitely. Both of those paths helped shape how I approach marketing right now. It\u2019s funny, I started off in marketing at a large agency as an account exec (client services). One of my first bosses, who I\u2019m still friends with today, advised me to get out of the agency world. I was terrible at saying yes to the client without pushing back. I always had the instinct to challenge what we were doing and my consulting\/research experience helped me better formulate a way of thinking and articulate how we can strive to do better. Agency gave me a begrudging respect for process and consulting helped me breakdown problems and articulate a central vision to rally around.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What are some of your favorite marketing campaigns?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019ve always been a huge fan of Nike\u2019s work. Their ability to mesh functional with emotional is always impressive. The somewhat recent Kaepernick campaign was fantastic. As a brand, it can be hard to take a stand. You have to be prepared for the backlash and difficult conversations.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The work North Face did during the 50<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">th<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> anniversary was also quite amazing. Essentially, their core assets were simply a look at the consumer. The consumer-centric message plus pure beauty of what they created really resonated. Your community is your best conduit and North Face nailed that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-9260\" src=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-04-at-1.38.36-PM-1024x571.png\" alt=\"North Face 50th anniversary\" width=\"1024\" height=\"571\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-04-at-1.38.36-PM-1024x571.png 1024w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-04-at-1.38.36-PM-300x167.png 300w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-04-at-1.38.36-PM-768x428.png 768w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-04-at-1.38.36-PM-960x535.png 960w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Screen-Shot-2019-07-04-at-1.38.36-PM.png 1316w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><b>What would you say are the core elements of Tokyo Smoke\u2019s marketing strategy?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">First off, it really starts with the pillars of design, community, and education. Cannabis is in an interesting place where so much is happening at a rapid pace and you have people hungry for information. We\u2019ve positioned education in a manner that is as engaging as it is informative. Not only is it providing what consumers need to know to confidently navigate the cannabis space but it\u2019s also creating events and activations that people are excited to take part in.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Secondly, we use design to open up and facilitate conversations. Cannabis usage, for many, has been hidden. By providing design-forward, high functioning products, we\u2019re encouraging people to be proud of the association with cannabis.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Hjs8ELPIMZI\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><b>You have a large following on social media. How did you go about building a community on these platforms?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It really started grassroots. In the cannabis space, you can\u2019t simply pay to boost your posts and expand your audience. We have always partnered with local creators. This allows them to have another creative outlet, likely in a new space, and it opens our brand up to new communities. On top of that, we design digital content that people are choosing to interact with, being meticulous about how we represent not only our brand but cannabis, cannabis accessories, and educational information.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When a community feels like they have some ownership with what you\u2019re creating, they are more inclined to share and become that ambassador you need to grow a brand in an environment that isn\u2019t simply pay to play.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What platforms have been most beneficial for brand building? Why do you think that is?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For us, it\u2019s been a combination of the digital and physical. Of course, digital allows for more mass reach. Specifically, the visual nature of our brand lends itself well to Instagram, where we can showcase the thoughtful design of our products, events, stores, and educational content. In-store and in-person, though, have likely been the most beneficial. This is what allows for true connections to form and for communities to build. Our stores have also helped open the dialogue between us and the community, allowing us to listen and adapt. The physical environment is the truest way we bring our brands to life \u2013 fully immersive and created with a consumer first mentality.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-9256\" src=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Tokyo-Smoke-9-1024x640-1024x640.jpg\" alt=\"Tokyo Smoke store\" width=\"1024\" height=\"640\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Tokyo-Smoke-9-1024x640.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Tokyo-Smoke-9-1024x640-300x188.jpg 300w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Tokyo-Smoke-9-1024x640-768x480.jpg 768w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/Tokyo-Smoke-9-1024x640-960x600.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><b>The cannabis industry is quickly growing but still emerging \u2013 how has its relative newness influenced your marketing strategy?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The overall strategy isn\u2019t so much impacted, more so your process. You have to be incredibly nimble, both to consumer needs and changing regulations. Plan for option A and be prepared that you\u2019ll have to go with option B or C. You also have to place strategic bets as to what will work given there\u2019s not much industry data out there just yet. A beautiful model of marketing effectiveness has yet to be established.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>You\u2019ve been in the unusual position of taking a brand from \u2018illegal\u2019 to \u2018established.\u2019 How did you approach that process?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was something new for me and most I\u2019m sure. In the unsexiest terms, it\u2019s information dissemination. As the transition happened, Canadians were incredibly excited but confused as to what was legal and what was part of the illicit market. Despite the move to legality, many were still hesitant to explore the industry. It was evident that we needed to not only continually educate on the changing regulations but also provide a welcoming environment. This encouraged people to ask questions, explore, figure out what was and wasn\u2019t legal and, if they so choose, how to take part in the legal industry. Overall, the biggest thing was creating trust. Cannabis is dealing with decades of stigma and misinformation and that\u2019s a lot to overcome. These comfortable environments help to break down the stigma and create a place where people truly felt comfortable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>What would you say has been the biggest challenge of that process?\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We\u2019re working with a lot of ingrained behaviors, whether it\u2019s how people purchase cannabis or their thoughts on the plant. If you want someone to modify their behavior, you have to provide an equal or, more likely, a better option. In a highly regulated industry, you can\u2019t always control the totality of the consumer journey, both the purchase process as well as the information dissemination.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As previously mentioned, there\u2019s a ton of questions that people have and we can\u2019t always provide all the answers. That\u2019s tough when you\u2019re trying to build that trusting relationship. For us, it\u2019s been about listening \u2013 providing as much information and education as we can within the current framework and finding partners who can complete the totality of the informational ask in areas we can\u2019t address.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>How did you go about tackling negative perceptions of cannabis and the industry as a whole?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">First off, there are a ton of people who have been working at tackling the negative perception for decades. There are pioneers, such as Hilary Black, who have worked tirelessly on behalf of cannabis. They are the ones who really started this conversation.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For us, it\u2019s the realization you\u2019re never going to force someone to change their mind. They have to be open to it. What we can do is shine a light on cannabis in a way that, hopefully, makes people take another look. Whether that\u2019s highlighting its many uses, the incredible medical potential or the diverse nature of cannabis users. It\u2019s been portrayed in one way for so long. If roughly a quarter of Canadians are consumers, how then, can cannabis adhere to such specific stereotypes? We are simply showcasing how beautiful cannabis and the community around it are.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>As one of the first retailers for cannabis products in Canada, you are, in many ways, setting the standard for the industry\u2019s in-store retail experience. What was the thought process behind the design of the Tokyo Smoke stores? What sort of experience were you hoping to create?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The stores are purposefully designed. By that I mean, everything is there for a specific reason vs. simply being decorative. First and foremost, you want it to be an inviting environment where visitors are both comfortable to shop and excited to take part. Despite cannabis being \u2018new\u2019, we also have to realize that, because it\u2019s been around so long, shoppers actually have a highly varying degree of knowledge. We wanted to ensure a smooth experience for novices, moderate, and expert consumers. As such, you can have one-on-one consultations if you\u2019re new, self-navigate our education bays if you\u2019re looking to learn a little more or be quickly checked out through our staff with tablets if you know what you\u2019re looking for.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We also made sure to include little moments of delight throughout. Our budcarts, which highlight new and interesting things in-store, terpene bars where you can start to get acclimated with the varying scents of cannabis and digital screens not only highlighting store features but also the latest Tokyo Smoke creative. The journey of purchasing cannabis through a Tokyo Smoke should be additive to the overall cannabis experience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-9254\" src=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/TS-web-locations-page-image_2048x2048.jpg\" alt=\"Tokyo Smoke store\" width=\"750\" height=\"422\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/TS-web-locations-page-image_2048x2048.jpg 750w, https:\/\/d2re7sjnpekmig.cloudfront.net\/prod\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/07\/TS-web-locations-page-image_2048x2048-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><b>As states legalize cannabis and the industry grows, how do you see Tokyo Smoke\u2019s digital strategy changing in the future?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Having a channel that can be viewed by any legal age and up poses an interesting challenge when provinces, states, and countries have different laws and regulations. What you can and cannot do varies as does your actual product\/service mix in each location. Our digital strategy will have to continually evolve to meet the wants of the majority while still providing the relevant information for local markets. This will put an even stronger emphasis on CRM efforts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From a paid perspective, it will be interesting as more platforms allow for cannabis marketing. At some point, I expect our marketing toolbox to more closely resemble that of traditional companies. As this happens, we\u2019ll have to continually monitor our media partners to ensure we\u2019re spending with the right partners. If there continues to be large discrepancies between countries (in terms of regulations), working with partners who understand the ecosystem and will work with you to adapt and adjust is tantamount for success.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"lead-grid-container\">\n<div class=\"lead__card\">\n<div class=\"lead__image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"hide--mobile\" src=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/DataMarketing.jpg\" alt=\"Icon\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"lead__content\">\n<p id=\"lead__heading\" class=\"heading--4\">Learn marketing skills to boost your career \u2013 from home!<\/p>\n<p class=\"lead__description\">BrainStation offers <a href=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/online-live?utm_source=Blog&amp;utm_medium=BlogPost&amp;utm_campaign=blogLead\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Online Live Certificate Courses<\/a> in data, design, development, marketing, and product management. Attend live classes and interact with Instructors and peers from anywhere in the world.<\/p>\n<p id=\"lead__button--margin\"><a id=\"lead__button--hover\" class=\"lead__button\" href=\"https:\/\/brainstation.io\/book-call?utm_source=Blog&amp;utm_medium=BlogPost&amp;utm_campaign=blogLead\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Speak to a Learning Advisor<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><b>What skills do you believe will be most important as the cannabis industry grows and evolves?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Adaptability and comfort with ambiguity are still quite important as the industry continues to evolve. You must be comfortable establishing processes but also forging ahead where they may not yet be one present. In less than a year\u2019s time, the cannabis industry is going to have a wide swath of available product formats and a hugely diverse set of reasons people choose to integrate cannabis into their lives. Data-driven segmentation and journey mapping, like we see in other verticals, will only rise in importance. Finally, this isn\u2019t a hard skill, but a passion. This is not an easy industry to work in. Those I\u2019ve seen achieve the most success truly care, both about the plant and their role in telling its story.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How do you market a brand as it moves from \u201cillegal\u201d to established? 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